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Dietitian Seasonings &

                                             Therapist Reasonings

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to the show notes for Jill and Meredith's Podcast: Dietitian Seasonings & Therapist Reasonings!

 

Whether you are just starting in the field of eating disorders or a seasoned, wise clinician, everyone needs support, guidance and advice once in awhile. 

What is our podcast about?

This podcast is hosted by dietitian Jill Sechi and therapist Meredith Riddick, eating disorders specialists supervisors with A Collaborative Approach. This podcast is intended to support, educated and validate clinicians in the eating disorders field; emphasizing the team approach as best practice and encouraging evidence based care.

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Episode 0: In The Beginning 

In this episode (episode 0), we introduce therapist Meredith Riddick and Dietitian Jill Sechi, certified eating disorders specialists supervisors with A Collaborative Approach. Meredith and Jill share their story of when they first met and began collaborating together in the field of eating disorders. Meredith introduces Jill and Jill introduces Meredith elaborating on work experience, time in the field and how they developed their expertise. In this brief episode we hope you get to know Jill and Meredith a little better as they begin their journey in the podcast world.

Episode 1: Give Me One Good Reason to Collaborate

“Team communication and collaboration are essential to prevent confusion and misunderstandings and to reinforce a unified message (Alexander & Treasure, 2012, p.146)." In episode 1, therapist Meredith Riddick and Dietitian Jill Sechi dive into their take on a collaborative approach and why it is important to promote a unified message. They talk about how having a collaborative team approach can be very beneficial, and how not having a collaborative approach can end up being problematic. Meredith and Jill also go into the different challenges when trying to collaborate with different clinicians, and how to face those challenges head on while still "staying in your lane." They also discuss the different themes of collaborating and how to utilize these themes in your practice daily. We hope you get an understanding of why we are A Collaborative Approach, and hope to spike your interest into our next Episode 2: Part 1 of the Ten Commandments. 

Episode 2: Part 1 of the Ten Commandments

In this episode, Meredith and Jill talk about their first five commandments of collaboration. If you are thinking about implementing a more collaborative approach in your practice, this is a great episode to listen to. They talk about five different "commandments" that they live by in their private practices in order to maintain a healthy relationship with the client and other clinicians on the treatment team. Meredith and Jill go into how communication, respect, honor, and honesty are all used throughout the commandments. They go into what each commandment means, importance and how to avoid "disobeying" each commandment. We hope that you leave this podcast with a little direction on how to begin your collaborative approach, but we hope to give you more direction in our next Episode 3: Part 2 of the Ten Commandments. 

First Commandment: Thou shalt talk to one another.

Second Commandment: Thou shalt not allow false testimony of other providers. 

Third Commandment: Thou shalt honor treatment team as best practice. 

Fourth Commandment: Thou shalt not covet each other's profession.

Fifth Commandment: Thou Shalt not commit treatment team adultery. 

Episode 3: Part 2 of the Ten Commandments

In this episode, Meredith and Jill talk about their second half of the Ten Commandments for Collaboration. They continue to go into what each commandment means, , how to apply, and how to avoid "disobeying" each commandment. If you missed the first half of the Ten Commandments of Collaboration Meredith and Jill talked about those in Episode 2. If you have already listened to the first five, give this podcast a listen to get the full picture and learn how to put all the commandments together. Meredith and Jill strongly believe in and practice these Ten Commandments for Collaboration, and use them as their backbone in their practices. Stay tuned for Episode 4 as they dive deep into Body Image from a dietitian and therapist perspective. 

Sixth Commandment: Thou shalt watch out for treatment bias. 

Seventh Commandment: Thou shalt not misuse the name of Recovery. 

Eighth Commandment: Remember major events and keep them holy.

Ninth Commandment: Thou shalt not throw in the towel with other providers.

Tenth Commandment: Thou shalt not steal the thunder of other providers. 

Episode 4: Body Image, Diving Deep

In this episode, Jill and Meredith dive deep into body image and even divide into three different parts. They both discuss body image when working with clients, their own body image, and what the treatment provider roles are and how to address them. Meredith and Jill both go into the attitudes and emotions around body image; when to address body image in your sessions, what to engage in, and how to engage from a dietitian's and therapist's perspective. When discussing their own body image, they talk about how they personally deal with body image in the client/clinician relationship. They also go into clinician's roles and the education that is helpful to provide depending on their scope of practice. Do you as a clinician know how to handle body image? Is it realistic to always have a positive body image? Listen to our take on body image and how we as seasoned clinicians deal with body image in the field of eating disorders.

Episode 5: You're fired!

How do you feel when a client doesn't respond well to your practice? Have you ever been fired by a client? If so, how has this made you feel? Many can feel disliked, which is a feeling that no one wants to feel. In this episode, Jill and Meredith discuss how they feel and deal with clients that "fire them." They go into their own experiences and how they deal with a client moving on from them, or even maybe a client never clicking with them in the beginning. They talk about signs that they look out for based on their own experiences, that usually lead to being "fired" by their client. Tune in!

Episode 6: Tigger and Eeyore

Tigger and Eeyore? You may be wondering what in the world this episode could possibly be about. Instead of Tigger and Eeyore, could we be talking about anxiety and depression? In this episode, we go into an overview for how these topics show up for our clients. Meredith talks about the diagnostic criteria for anxiety and depression, she explains the differences in both of them, and goes into what to look for in sessions. Jill goes into how she sees anxiety and depression and how it can affect a client's behaviors around food. Did you ever wonder what a therapist might know verses what a registered dietitian might need to know when having clients that struggle with anxiety or depression? If so, tune in to Episode 6 and let us know what you think! 

Episode 7: Let's Talk about Sex, Baby! 

In this episode, Jill and Meredith talk about how eating disorders can impact intimacy. They discuss both physical and emotional intimacy as well as multiple examples of intimacy such as sex, being open and honest, or being vulnerable with friends and family. Intimacy concerns can come up in multiple ways with clients and you may be unsure how to approach it. Jill discusses how intimacy concerns can show up in nutrition sessions and the impact it can have on the client's relationship with food and or their body. Meredith talks about how it can appear in therapy, when addresses it in session, as well as and attachment therapy and how it can be used to predict a client's adult relationships or a client's eating patterns. How can a client's relationship with food mimic their relationship with people? How does a dietitian handle intimacy concerns? What about a therapist? Why is it helpful for a therapist to share intimacy concerns with a dietitian or other members of the treatment team? How can a therapist collaborate with treatment team members regarding this topic without disclosing too much information? Listen to Episode 7 to get answers to these questions and learn how seasoned clinicians treat intimacy concerns in the field of eating disorders. 

Episode 8: Part 1 Are we a little OCPD about Dxs in Tx? 

Have you ever had a client feel like they are being labeled or judged when they are diagnosed when an eating disorder? Do you tell the client what eating disorder they are diagnosed with? Do you know the criteria for all types of eating disorders? In this episode, Meredith and Jill discuss the importance of diagnosing a client with an eating disorder and basic criteria that distinguishes anorexia nervosa (AN), bulimia (BN), and binge eating disorder (BED). The more you know the each eating disorder diagnosis, the better you are to serve the client as each diagnosis has a different evidenced based treatment. Often we see that a client struggling with bulimia gets misdiagnosed with binge eating disorder. Why? What role does a dietitian play in diagnosing eating disorders? This episode will answer those questions and so much more in episode 8. In episode will focus on AN, BN, and BED, but stay tuned for episode 9, where they will continue this discussion on other specified feeding or eating disorders (OSFED), avoidant restrictive intake disorder (ARFID), and unspecified feeding or eating disorders.

Episode 9: Part 2 Are we a little OCPD about Dxs in Tx? 

In episode 9 part 2, Jill and Meredith continue the discussion about different eating disorder diagnosis, focusing on other specified feeding or eating disorder (OSFED), avoidant restrictive intake disorder (ARFID), and unspecified feeding or eating disorder. This could be a possible diagnosis your client may receive if they are struggling with an eating disorder, but doesn't quite fit the diagnostic criteria of anorexia nervosa, bulimia nervosa, or binge eating disorder. Examples may include atypical anorexia, purging disorder (without bingeing), night eating syndrome, etc. They review different features of ARFID to be mindful of as well as some treatment strategies that may be used. This is a good listen to prepare you for upcoming episodes that will discuss the treatments more in detail. Listen in and let us know if this helped you gain a better understanding of Dx in ED Tx! 

Episode 10: Perfection vs. Obsession

In Episode 10, Jill and Meredith dive in a good discussion about anorexia nervosa (AN) and obsessive compulsive disorder (OCD). Whether you are a dietitian or a therapist, it is important to know comorbidities that can occur with eating disorders; OCD is a major one. AN behaviors and OCD behaviors often look very similar and can easily be confused. Jill and Meredith help clear up any misconceptions there may be about this by defining OCD and providing examples of OCD behaviors, discussing the similarities and differences in AN and OCD behaviors and treatment, and providing examples of features that would help distinguish OCD versus AN when it comes to excessive exercise, restriction, eating behaviors, and anxiety around food. Lastly, Jill and Meredith talk exposure response prevention (ERP), a treatment approach for each diagnosis. Do you know when to diagnosis AN versus OCD? Is it possible for a client to be diagnosed with both at the same? Or do they have to be diagnosed separately? Does the therapist or dietitian do ERP? What is the therapist's role in ERP. What about the dietitian? Are there differences in the ERP approach for each diagnosis? You'll know the answer to these questions by the end of the podcast. 

Discussed in this podcast: 

  • The starvation study (click here! to read it)

  • Peace of Mind (non-profit organization whose mission is to help improve the quality of life of OCD sufferers): link to their website

Episode 11: The Trials of Termination

In Episode 11, Jill and Meredith discuss the process terminating a client. They compare how they handled terminating clients when when they were first starting out versus now, as more seasoned clinicians. They provide examples of reasons they have needed fired clients, both in the past and now. Do you fire a client if they require a higher level of care but refuse to go? Do you fire a client if they refuse to see a therapist, medical doctor, and/or dietitian, and will only continue to see you? They will review various options you have in different instances. Jill and Meredith end the podcast with discussing "following your gut." knowing your own limits as a clinician, scope of practice and ethical boundaries and requirements in your profession. Listen in to learn more on how to handle this difficult situation! 

Episode 12: Meal Plan Mayhem

In Episode 12, Jill runs the show by discussing meal planning and the pivotal role it plays in eating disorder treatment. When struggling with an eating disorder, clients often become out of touch with their own biology. Jill talks about the dietitian's vital role in helping a client get back in touch with their biology and how meal planning in an important tool the dietitian uses to support a client return to normalized eating. She reviews various types of meal plans that will help dietitians in the field understand different approaches to meal planning that can be used with clients who have different needs. Meredith provides her perspective as a therapist on what a dietitian does and her understanding of various meal plans interventions she has seen. This podcast is a great listen for dietitians who may be newer to the field, or new to outpatient after time in higher level care, or even a more seasoned dietitian in need of a good review on the topic. This podcast is also great for therapist to understand more about the role the dietitian plays on the treatment team and the role the meal plan plays in treatment! 

Episode 13: Resistance: The Attempt to Prevent Something by Action or Argument

In Episode 13, Jill and Meredith discuss resistance when working with clients struggling with eating disorders. They review the definition of resistance, the function and meaning of resistance, and review methods of dealing with it from both the dietitian's and the therapist's perspective. Do you know what resistance sounds like in a session? Resistance comes in many different forms and in this episode you will hear multiple examples to be able to better recognize when it. How do you handle resistance when it appears in the room? How to you help a client work through their ambivalence of wanting to stay in their eating disorder and work towards recovery? Sometimes it means taking off your "expert hat" and learning into the resistance with them. This episode will help you learn how embrace your client's resistance and work with it! 

Episode 14: Your Dieting Daughter or Mother or Father.. 

Often when working with a client struggling with an eating disorder, their main support system is usually their parent, sibling, other family member, or spouse. What if their main support is also dieting? What do you do?  In Episode 14, Jill and Meredith discuss dealing with dieting parents, spouses, family members, etc. Do you know how to handle this? Do you educate the parent on dieting or try to convince them to stop? What if a parent is refusing to keep certain exposure foods in the house due to their own beliefs or behaviors around food? Jill and Meredith discuss cases and examples that will give you some insight on how to handle this as a dietitian or a therapist. 

Episode 16: V is for Vacation (No, wait! Actually Vegan or Vegetarian) 

In this podcast, Meredith and Jill discuss working with clients that identify as vegan and vegetarian during recovery from their eating disorder. Jill defines the differences between vegetarian and vegan and her thoughts on this from a dietary and health standpoint. Meredith reviews the role of a therapist in helping a client identify their reasoning behind this decision and how it may affect their relationship with food as well as their relationships. What are some reasons for a client to not be vegan or vegetarian? What are some reasons it may be appropriate for others? Does eliminating an entire food group impact a client's likelihood to recover from an eating disorder? In episode 16 you will learn how you can handle this as both a dietitian or a therapist! 

Episode 15: Recovery Red Flags with Clinicians; Calling in & Out

It is not uncommon for clinicians working in the field of eating disorders (dietitian or therapist) to have gone through an eating disorder themselves. Many who have struggled with any eating disorder want to work in the field to give back and help others struggling with eating disorders. At what point in the recovery process are they ready to be in the field? Is it a certain amount of time? 1 year or 5? What are the signs that an individual IS appropriate to be a clinician treating eating disorders? What are the signs they are NOT appropriate? In episode 15, Jill and Meredith provide some insight on this touchy topic with hopes of providing guidance and supervision to those entering the field. 

Episode 17: Bariatric Surgery, Slicing and Dicing: Understanding Bariatric Surgery and Disordered Eating/Weight Control

In episode 17, Jill and Meredith discuss bariatric surgery and disordered eating. Jill reviews the basics of bariatric surgery and how she handles clients who are wanting bariatric surgery from a dietary perspective. Meredith discusses her approach as a therapist, including why she works closely with the dietitian and areas she focuses on in sessions. How do you approach eating disorder recovery after a client has already had bariatric surgery? For client's who are wanting the surgery, do you take them on as a client? If so, do you support them on this decision or do you try to convince them otherwise? Is it okay for them to have bariatric surgery? Why it is important to be open minded as a eating disorder clinician when it comes to bariatric surgery as well as other topics outside of your beliefs and your field? Episode 17 will answer these questions and so much more. Listen in and enjoy! 

Episode 18: So Tell Me What You Want..... What Ya Really, Really Want? 

It is not uncommon for clinicians to have an "ideal clients" that they enjoy or feel the most comfortable working with. This could be a specific age group, specific diagnosis, family dynamic, etc. As a new clinician, how soon should you narrow down what type of client you see? If you become too narrow too quick, you could potentially miss out skills set you may develop working with a wide variety of clients. If you a more seasoned clinician, what are some other reasons for seeing a wide variety of clients vs. exclusively your "ideal client?"Jill and Meredith share their own experiences as eating disorder clinicians and supervisors when it comes to narrowing down your practice to your ideal client. 

Episode 19: Jumbo Shrimp and Intuitive Eating "Meal Plans"

In Episode 19, Jill and Meredith discuss intuitive eating in the eating disorder recovery process. Jill reviews the function of a meal plan for clients struggling with eating disorder behaviors, which was discussed in detail in episode 12. She discusses reasons intuitive eating is often not appropriate for clients in high level of care and what that transition away from a meal plan may look once they step-down to outpatient. Meredith discusses her role as a therapist in this process and points on common misconceptions clinicians may. What are the signs that a client may be or may not be ready for intuitive eating? How does the transition look from a structured meal plan to intuitive eating? What are some instances that a client may temporarily return to using a meal plan once they are an intuitive eater? In episode 19, Jill and Meredith discuss this very important topic!

Episode 20: "Supper"-vision: What is it? And What it's Not

In Episode 20, Jill and Meredith discuss supervision in the process of becoming a certified eating disorder specialist such as a Certified Eating Disorder Specialist (CEDS) or a Certified Eating Disorder Registered Dietitian (CEDRD). Meredith outlines supervision required for a therapist to become a LPC or a LCSW. Jill describes how this differs from becoming a Registered Dietitian (RD) and the reasoning for hiring ED dietitian "residents" in her private practice. Together, Jill and Meredith review the requirements to become a certified eating disorder specialist as of Fall 2019 through the International Association for Eating Disorders Professionals (iaedp) as well as why they find it useful to hold supervision together as a therapist and dietitian. 

Episode 21: Compassion vs. Colluding

In episode 21, Meredith and Jill discuss the difference between compassion vs. colluding when working with a client struggling with an eating disorder. Compassion is used to help the us connect with the client and validate where they are at in their recovery. However, clinicians must continue to push and hold the client accountable to the recovery process. How does a clinician avoid aligning with the eating disorder? What are signs that we are colluding vs. being compassionate? What are reasoning clinicians will often collude with a client's eating disorder? Understanding how to give compassion rather than collusion is vital to being an effective clinician. 

Episode 22: Client Case Conceptualization

In episode 22, Jill and Meredith discuss the importance of initial assessments with client and why properly conceptualizing your client is crucial for treatment planning, providing evidenced-based care, and building your confidence as a clinician. They discuss how case conceptualization differs as a therapist versus a dietitian. Do you know what questions to ask? What about observations of your client should you be aware of? Listen in as Jill and Meredith review this very important concept! 

Episode 23: New York City?

This is a special episode where Jill and Meredith express gratitude to all of the amazing listeners of this podcast! They share a message from a listener who left a message which inspired them to take a pause to say THANK YOU for listening and keeping them motivated to keep the podcast going. Jill and Meredith share details about their upcoming presentation at Eating Recovery Foundation Conference on October 11, 2019. Come out and see them!

Episode 24: Forming, Storming, and Norming

In Episode 24, Jill and Meredith discuss group therapy. This episode covers so much information about what to expect when forming groups such as how people interact in groups, what clients can get out of groups, how groups differ from individual sessions, and how they can be helpful or harmful. Jill and Meredith also review different groups types (support, process, educational, open vs. closed) and how their groups have differed when they have co-led groups vs. leading them alone. How do you get people into groups? What are different ways to advertise groups? How many people should be in a group? What are ideal times to have groups? How long do groups typically last? What are some expectations to have for an ED group? Listen in to episode 24 and learn so much useful information about group therapy!